Please watch brown before committee

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On sky now, waffle waffle and more waffle, this toad cant answer a straight question,and hides behind official secrets Mad

god help us.

Subject: Brown 2009-07-16, 06:00

There is a helicopter shortage in Afghanistan, high ranking officers have said so and what does Brown say?? " there are sufficient helicopters out there"!!!

The man is a moron, he would argue black is white, time for an election!!! ASAP!

Location : Southend Spotter Watch Member : No

Hang on though, the conservatives will make cuts in the defence industry... Wait and see then you can rpove me wrong.

Our troops have never been better equipped, we will fight, and fight and fight, we are not giving up now.

Give up = Taliban on our doorstep

Indeed we should just put more equipment in Afghanistan, we Have 300 Challengers in Germany, plenty of aircraft back home, but we are making progress we can not fight wars and have no one die unfortunately, it is a fact of war. Their has never been a war where at least one soldier has not died, we know that.

I feel for the Families, but the Servicemen and women have committed themselves to this, I feel great admiration for them, they knew what it involved, they knew it could mean death, but they have fought and some have died as a consequence, It is sad, but we can not give up now.

While the BBC talks about failure lets prove them wrong and gain success, as we already are but is being shunned by media

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 06:36

REDS wrote:: Our troops have never been better equipped, we will fight, and fight and fight, we are not giving up now.

Give up = Taliban on our doorstep

Hmmm....

Quote :: Their has never been a war where at least one soldier has not died, we know that.

Cold war?

I heard it stated the other day, not sure where, but the US have roughly the same number of troops in Helmand as we do, but they have over 100 helicopters whilst we have less than 30.

If we're going to fight a war, do it properly, unleash hell - send all we can.

It's a joke, on one hand we are engaged in conflict on Afghanistan, recently have been in Iraq and yet Gordon is talking about a massive cut in defence spending. Does not compute.....

Location : Sheffield Spotter Watch Member : no

The solution is clear to everybody even though some are unwilling to admit it. Britain should withdraw entirely from Afghanistan with immediate effect.

This half-baked notion that we are somehow protecting the UK from terrorism is absolute, utter garbage and most of us know it. The time has surely come when the political consensus should be broken, and MP's should be saying what most of us (as polls show) already think - the conflict is a monumental waste of lives and money.

The very idea that chasing insurgents around Afghanistan is somehow going to stop terrorism in the UK is just ludicrous and insulting to our intelligence. For God's sake, terrorists can and will operate anywhere. There seems to be some notion that if Afghanistan is abandoned, some huge terrorist superpower will emerge to threaten us. Utter nonsense. No matter how long we stay in that God-forsaken country, the same terrorists will still be making the same plots.. Our presence is irrelevant. As soon as we leave, the Taliban will be straight back. Everyone knows that so why can't we just grow-up and accept this now, before even more troops are killed?

How long does it take before we can make the Government take the hint and get out - out of office and out of Afghanistan.

Location : Southend Spotter Watch Member : No

But if we withdraw, the Taliban will grow and grow until they are on our doorstep, then we will have another 'Battle of Britain'

I will be joining the services as soon as I complete my A-levels, Hopefully we will have knocked the Taliban even more by then

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 06:48

REDS wrote:: But if we withdraw, the Taliban will grow and grow until they are on our doorstep, then we will have another 'Battle of Britain'

Do you really think that? Honestly???

Location : Southend Spotter Watch Member : No

SteveS wrote:

REDS wrote:: But if we withdraw, the Taliban will grow and grow until they are on our doorstep, then we will have another 'Battle of Britain'

Do you really think that? Honestly???

Yes, yes I do

The Taliban will grow if you don't deal with them, it is like Cancer if left untreated it can Kill and it is exactly the same here.

What about Hitler, He was left untreated until Poland was Taken.

WE Can not make the same mistake twice

Location : Sheffield Spotter Watch Member : no

But if we withdraw, the Taliban will grow and grow until they are on our doorstep

Well no they won't, that's the point. This is the kind of childish nonsense that the Government is peddling but thankfully the majority of the population know it's absolute rubbish. Who do they think we're fighting? The Soviet Union? It's a rabble of lunatic terrorists hiding in some hills for heaven's sake. Fear not, they won't be turning-up in an aircraft carrier if we simply walk away and leave 'em to their poisonous pursuits.

Location : Sheffield Spotter Watch Member : no

The Taliban will grow if you don't deal with them

No they won't. They're a small bunch of terrorists which most of Afghanistan hates as much as we do. What on earth do you think is going to happen? They suddenly going to sweep across Europe or something? Laughing

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 07:00

Whilst there is religion, there will always be conflicts....

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 07:00

REDS wrote:: What about Hitler, He was left untreated until Poland was Taken.

WE Can not make the same mistake twice

Hitler had tanks, ships, an air force, thousands of soldiers, the SS, Hitler Youth, legions of public support (at least in the early days) and a 'legitimate' position of power to enable him to expand the armed forces of Germany.

The Taliban don't.

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 07:02

SteveS wrote:

REDS wrote:: What about Hitler, He was left untreated until Poland was Taken.

WE Can not make the same mistake twice

Hitler had tanks, ships, an air force, thousands of soldiers, the SS, Hitler Youth, legions of public support (at least in the early days) and a 'legitimate' position of power to enable him to expand the armed forces of Germany.

The Taliban don't.

And he liked the British, hence why he held off trying to invade. Hitler had a vision that the British were 'pure' like the Germans. He did not want a war with Britain at all... we declared war on Germany.

There is no comparison between the Taliban and Hitler...

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Sheff wrote:

The Taliban will grow if you don't deal with them

No
they won't. They're a small bunch of terrorists which most of
Afghanistan hates as much as we do. What on earth do you think is going
to happen? They suddenly going to sweep across Europe or something? Laughing

I've no means to be disrespectful to anyone and all, but this will happen if you leave them to it.

What
did we do to Hitler, we left him to take all the 'low countries' then
we sat up when we realized it was too late. Surely you are not going to
make the same mistake, us youngsters will have to sort out all the mess
left behind believe it or not, so for the sake of your Children,
grandchildren and youngsters in general we need to stop Taliban now

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Razor61 wrote:

SteveS wrote:

REDS wrote:: What about Hitler, He was left untreated until Poland was Taken.

WE Can not make the same mistake twice

Hitler had tanks, ships, an air force, thousands of soldiers, the SS, Hitler Youth, legions of public support (at least in the early days) and a 'legitimate' position of power to enable him to expand the armed forces of Germany.

The Taliban don't.

And he liked the British, hence why he held off trying to invade. Hitler had a vision that the British were 'pure' like the Germans. He did not want a war with Britain at all... we declared war on Germany.

There is no comparison between the Taliban and Hitler...

Yes one thing 'evil'

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 07:10

At some point a few years back, the enemy somehow became the Taliban and no-one can really explain why though. At first it was 'Al-Qaeda', then the 'Taliban' were 'sheltering' Al-Qaeda, whatever that means, and now it has somehow been decided the Taliban must be destroyed. The question is why???

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SteveS wrote:: At some point a few years back, the enemy somehow became the Taliban and no-one can really explain why though. At first it was 'Al-Qaeda', then the 'Taliban' were 'sheltering' Al-Qaeda, whatever that means, and now it has somehow been decided the Taliban must be destroyed. The question is why???

That is a good point..
It may be that Taliban are Calibrators with Al-Qaeda, and have the same motives as Al-Qaeda has.
Let's be realistic on religion... the Muslim faith does not teach to blow up other people or to kill for Allah is a good or right thing. It is an evil thing and anybody with any sense knows this.

I'm no Muslim but I have done my research

Subject: Re: Please watch brown before committee 2009-07-16, 07:22

Moved to Off Topic as it has gone slightly wayward

Location : boswell lincs Spotter Watch Member : yes

What has been over looked is that the taliban only hide behind the religion and pick and choose which bits to distort, these so called religious fundamentalists supply 80% of the heroin to the west, so most of there funding comes from it,they are no more than a mafia bent on dominating an area to peddle there poison, if not checked it will spread, only time will tell how far.Just look at the problems in south america with the drugs trade, its bad here in places but do you want the same here,no way. Most of there following comes from the uneducated , if you are ignorant you will believe there crap, one of the reasons why schools and teachers are targeted, remember pol pot.Unless this area is sorted into some sort of "normality" then the potential is dire. As for these half wits at home it would not be a problem if the laws against sedition were enforced. The guys and girls are doing a dam fine job , listen to them they know what the score is, no way will i take notice of some week kneed pacifist who wants to run when things get tough, give them the kit, parliament has lied time and time again, TIME LIEBOUR WAS KICKED OUT, BROWN HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN THE NAZIS COULD, VOTE GUY FAWKES Mad

Location : Sheffield Spotter Watch Member : no

The whole Afhganistan saga is a pointless, expensive and deathly exercise which was ultimately started by Bush as a stupid knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. In the absence of any obvious enemy to retaliate against, he dragged the US (and the UK) into a pointless war in Iraq, followed by Afghanistan. Sadly, even though Bush has thankfully gone, the US was already involved and has been unable to find a politically-acceptable way out. We are only there because our Government wants to maintain political clout with the US and Nato. It has nothing to do with defending the UK. The idea that we're saving our country from some potential terrorist state is absolute, utter garbage and we all know it. The whole saga is politically driven. That would be fine, were it not for the fact that we cannot afford to support this silly crusade and it is costing people's lives.

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I am afraid sheff i cannot agree with you, Taliban - al qaeda are a threat to the UK and are already preaching there filth, numerous reports of pro terrorist speeches by clerics in areas of this country [ i wont call them Muslim, no good Muslim supports those who degrades there holy book] as for crusade, that that finished well over a thousand years ago, and that phrase is used by pro taliban-al qaeda to excuse there murders.If you really want to knock the UK's involvement in afghanistan then you must go back to the seventies - eighties when Reagan and thatcher helped this organisation grow to fight the Russians, this bit of meddling has come back to haunt us

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Didn't come back to haunt us at all - we chose to go there to embark upon a crusade; that's what it is, as defined by the dictionary.

How, precisely, do you use "Taliban" and "Al Qaeda" in the same sentence? This is a mystery to most people. The Government keep trying to peddle the idea that if they keep referring to them as one and the same thing, then people will be too stupid to realise the very obvious fact they're not, and whilst Al Qaeda are a threat to the UK's defence the Taliban are not. They are two separate terrorist groups (or whatever else you want to call them) and all the political hot air that tries to link them together is just that - hot air. The ironic aspect of this saga is that the Taliban wouldn't have killed so much as one British serviceman had we not chosen to go to Afghanistan. And how many British lives would have been lost at the hands of Al Quaeda had we not been in Afghanistan? Precisely the same number of course, because Al Quaeda is still there, just like it was before we went there and just as they will be after we leave. Our presence in Afghanistan hasn't saved so much as one British life - it's simply resulted in more than 200 being lost.

I'd urge you not to get caught-up by Gordon Brown's flapping cheeks, faux concern and bogus patriotism. This crusade has nothing to do with our defence and a good three-quarters of the population know that as polls have shown. This is a political war being fought on behalf of the Government, at our expense. Inexplicably, Bush's heroic (if rather ill-advised) quest to track down Al Quaeda and destroy them has resulted in a bizarre, unconnected and deadly attempt to rid a different terrorist group from a foreign country. The two aims are not linked in any way no matter how Brown and his cronies might try to persuade you that they are, but in the absence of any success in defeating Al Queda, Brown and Co. seem to think that if they portray the Taliban as the enemy - and then proceed to destroy them (not that they will), then they will have been seen to achieved a great success. Obviosuly they wll have achieved nothing but with sufficient spin doctoring, they evidently believe that they will be able to fool us into thinking they have. The tragedy is that they are using British lives to play-out this stupid game.

Subject: Al Qaeda 2009-07-16, 13:02

Not much point discussing this as this war will go on for years, the Russians couldnt get rid of the Taleban, i pray and hope we will get rid of them eventually, but Al Qaeda are already on our doorstep!!!!!

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Nobody has ever succeeded in Afganistan, what makes anyone think we will do this time?

Iraq is a complete failure, still car bombs galore, and shootings - whats changed apart from Saddam leaving the planet?

You cannot change the way people are, you cannot make them into something they do not want to be - the sooner we remove ourselves from Afghanistan the better.

Theres only one way to win in Afghanistan, and thats to carpet bomb the whole country - and that wont be very popular and will never happen!

Get out now.

Subject: Taleban 2009-07-16, 15:07

I know it is inevitable for no more loss of life, but i pray and hope for all the troops/military personell to stay safe, we will be there for many many years and Taleban/Al Qaeda are already here in the UK! and have been for ages, they were born here and also we let them in, there was no need to infiltrate us, we welcomed them with open arms and sadly will pay the price.

God help us